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12 Points of Comparison – eBay and Amazon

12 Points of Comparison – eBay and Amazon

Think of any situation, and there are likely pros and cons. The same is true when deciding whether to expand your sales to Amazon.com. The fact is, neither eBay nor Amazon can claim to be the best across the board nowadays.

Many eBay sellers have wondered if it’s really worth selling on Amazon. Some feel there are too many rules and it wouldn’t be worth the effort. Some have asked for a point by point comparison between the two sites. I’ve chosen a dozen points of comparison that may help sellers make a decision.

  1. Fees
  2. Format (Auction vs. Fixed-price)
  3. Community
  4. Stability
  5. Feedback
  6. Branding
  7. Photos
  8. Taxes
  9. Average Sale Price
  10. Payment Methods
  11. Return Policy
  12. Shipping

1. Fees

Most sellers agree that fees between the two sites are almost a wash. Especially when you consider that you pay for every item to be listed on eBay whether it sells or not. When you consider unsold items, time spent relisting items, and time spent dealing with unpaid items, my opinion is Amazon comes out ahead.

Amazon collects the payment for the seller, and deposits the funds into your checking account. There are no fees for this, while PayPal fees are substantial. If eBay moves to a PayPal only model in the U.S., they can increase fees for collecting payment at will.

Advantage: Tie
 
 
2. Format (Auction vs. Fixed-price)

eBay popularized the auction format listing. Amazon failed at auctions and only offers fixed-price listings. Which is best?

For collectibles, auctions are the best way to get market value. eBay is better if you are running an antique store online and want the best prices, and shoppers looking for unique items.

But most businesses, do not deal in collectibles, they sell “practicals”, commodity items that people want to buy and get on with their day. Buyers can readily find these items, and buy online for convenience. It’s easy to set a fixed-price for these items.

While Amazon is the fixed-price king, eBay is moving in that direction by downplaying auctions and encouraging fixed-price listings. The advantage is in the buyers. The Amazon buyer is more affluent, and pays a higher average price for products.

Advantage: Auctions: eBay
Advantage: Fixed-price: Amazon

 
 
3. Community

eBay sellers are very involved with eBay buyers. The transactions can be extremely interactive. Amazon buyers and sellers rarely interact. The Amazon buyer tends to expect high customer service and they don’t expect to have to ask if an item has shipped.

Because of the higher interaction with customers, eBay sellers have to spend more time per transaction. Amazon transactions take less time.

Advantage: Amazon
 
 
4. Stability

Online retailers rely on the stability of their chosen platforms to operate smoothly. Changes cost time. Sellers have developed systems that allow them to list, sell, and deliver items. When rules change, or things don’t work, the systems break down and profit is lost.

Amazon has had very few major changes in the past year. Even though there are some restrictions, they generally stay the same, and are enforced consistently. When changes have been made, they tend to stick and sellers can adjust.

eBay has had major changes over the past year, including Feedback, fees, digitally delivered items, search results, Detailed Seller Ratings, eBay’s affiliate program, and more are to be expected. Sellers have been greatly affected in real and perceived ways. Some changes have been rolled out, only to be reversed causing even more consternation among sellers.

Advantage: Amazon
 
 
5. Feedback

Both eBay and Amazon have a feedback system allowing buyers and sellers to record their impression of a transaction. Both sites allow buyers to leave negative comments for sellers. Both sites allow sellers to leave only positive comments for buyers.

The eBay culture has given much more weight to feedback than their Amazon counterpart. Amazon buyers can see the seller’s feedback score, but tend to overlook it more readily than eBay buyers. Amazon’s A-z Guarantee may have a bearing on this by making the buyer feel more protected when purchasing an item.

Amazon does not “disadvantage” sellers, as eBay does, by moving them down in the results when shoppers perform a search. eBay does this by considering the seller’s feedback score and making them less visible to shoppers, rather than letting buyers make the choice themselves.

Advantage (especially for sellers): Amazon
 
 
6. Branding

Amazon restricts sellers from reaching out to buyers and marketing to them. Traditionally, this has been an advantage to eBay since eBay allowed sellers to link to a site off eBay from the seller’s About Me page.

Recent changes at eBay have virtually eliminated the ability to use eBay as a lead generating tool for off-eBay business. eBay has all but forbidden any outside links from any eBay pages including custom store pages, and About Me pages. This has effectively neutralized eBay as a “branding” tool.

Advantage: Tie
 
 
7. Photos

eBay sellers have always struggled with photos. How to take good photos, how to get the photos to show up on eBay, how many photos. Each item, no matter if it’s exactly the same as another, gets its own photo on eBay.

Amazon is different. An individual product gets one photo, and one description page, and all sellers use the same page.

Generally, the first photo posted on a given product, is the photo everyone will use. Some sellers don’t like the idea of other sellers using their photo. But if “one photo fits all” for a particular product, it’s pretty likely that product is a commodity product. Not many photos are needed.

As an Amazon seller, I absolutely love the fact that I can list 20 items without shooting a single photo. It saves a ton of time.

Amazon buyers will buy an item without a photo. They know that the image they see is generally just representative anyway.

Advantage: Amazon
 
 
8. Taxes

Marketplace sellers are responsible for the sales tax on any items sold on Amazon.com, and if necessary, they generally add this cost into the price of their items. This is a pain for Amazon sellers who are running a business.

eBay provides a mechanism in the Sell-Your-Item form to collect the taxes in addition to the sale price. This way the taxes don’t eat into the seller’s profits.

It seems Amazon could add a tool like this to their process quite easily for their Marketplace sellers and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it in the future. But until that happens, I’d say…

Advantage: eBay
 
 
9. Average Sale Price

Amazon buyers have been shown to be more affluent, and more willing to spend more on similar items. eBay buyers tend to look for bargains, and are willing to wait through a seven-day auction to save a buck.

As a seller, I’ll pick the buyer that is willing to spend more. I have actually used eBay to source products at rock-bottom prices, then sold for good profit on Amazon. Amazon buyers often don’t even look on eBay, and they ultimately pay more.

Advantage: Amazon
 
 
10. Payment Methods

Amazon sellers must use Amazon Payments to accept payment. That’s it. Amazon collects the payment, and deposits it into your bank account twice per month (more often if you choose). They collect and deposit the funds with no fees added. eBay sellers can accept PayPal, money orders, cashier’s checks, or cash (in person).

eBay seems poised to require PayPal payments on all transactions. If that happens, it will significantly affect many sellers. If you sell an item for $500, you may now accept non-PayPal payments and keep most of your money. If PayPal is required, you will fork over 2.9% + $.35 ($14.85) in PayPal fees.

Amazon sellers do not have to send invoices, payment reminders, or track unpaid items. If Amazon cannot collect the payment, you don’t have a sale, and your item is still listed on their site. eBay’s system is simply more work, more time, and ultimately costs more to manage as a seller.

Advantage: Amazon
 
 
11. Return Policy

Some eBay sellers fear Amazon because of their obligatory return policy, called the A-z Guarantee. This guarantee allows the buyer to receive a full refund if the item is “materially different” from that described, for up to 90 days. Amazon will usually side with the buyer. Sounds pretty tough.

The eBay seller is free to fight it out with buyers with a dispute resolution. This could ultimately result in negative feedback for the seller. They are not required to offer a refund. If eBay forces sellers to use PayPal for payments though, your funds could be held or you may even receive a charge-back against your account. It’s basically the same difference, but the eBay / PayPal route is a lot messier and time consuming. If you have a buyer that is determined to get a refund, they’ll generally figure a way to get it.

Simply based on the time consuming mess the dispute resolution process is, I’m saying…

Advantage: Amazon
 
 
12. Shipping

eBay sellers have long looked at shipping charges as a small revenue stream. They bump up shipping prices and skim a little for themselves to cover shipping supplies, labels, and pixie dust. (Okay, I added the pixie dust. But there must be some magical ingredient included to justify the extra charges.) The fact is, many sellers have turned this legitimate charge into a way to avoid eBay fees.

eBay has now begun penalizing sellers who charge above average shipping amounts by lowering their visibility in the default search results. They are even giving breaks to sellers who offer free shipping, in effect hurting those sellers who cannot afford it.

Amazon gives sellers a “shipping credit”, based on an item’s category. This does not always cover the full shipping amount, but usually does. The amount is fixed by Amazon. You cannot ask for more from the customer, and even if the shipping credit does not cover your shipping costs, you must ship the item. Since the shipping credit is fixed, it can be figured in when setting your price.

Which is better? I like to have control over my shipping. But if a seller is careful, it’s pretty easy to figure in the shipping credit on Amazon and not lose money. Even if there is a loss, it’s minimal.

I have found items I wanted on eBay, only to leave because of the outrageous shipping charges. ($1.99 item + $10.99 shipping for a cell phone cover.) I go straight to Amazon, because I know shipping is standard and I won’t feel ripped off. How many other buyers do the same? I’ll take those buyers…

Advantage: Amazon
 
 
Summary

There is no question eBay is best for some items, while Amazon is best for others. But the overlap is incredibly large. The vast majority of items that sell on Amazon will also sell on eBay, and visa versa.

The important thing to remember is the shoppers are different. While you and I may shop on several sites, many Amazon shoppers are very loyal to Amazon and won’t even visit eBay. Some eBayers feel it would be a sin to shop on Amazon. By selling on both sites, you are potentially getting millions of additional eyeballs on your products.

If you are avoiding Amazon because you think there are too many rules – take a look at eBay’s User Agreement. eBay is moving closer to Amazon’s model, in many ways. Like it or not, this is the wave of the future. Will you be ahead of the game, or will you be playing catchup?

Take a look at my eBook, "Selling on 'the River' - The eBay Seller's Guide to Amazon.com"

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eBay Education Specialists Get 60-Day Grace Period

Individuals who teach people how to use eBay got a little break today. Education Specialists are the people trained by eBay to teach local classes and individuals how to sell on eBay. They basically teach the courses once offered nationally by eBay University. Among other things, these individuals must have at least 98% positive feedback to be in good standing and qualify for the program.

Due to the upcoming implementation of eBay's new feedback changes next week, feedback scores are about to change. The change will knock some out of qualification, with an adjusted feedback score of less than 98%.

American Research Institute through PowerU runs this program for eBay. In their email to Education Specialists today they said:

As a result of these changes, you may see a change in your Positive Feedback Percentage that could possibly impact your standing in the Education Specialist Program. Note that in order to maintain a valid standing in the Program, you must maintain a Positive Feedback Percentage of 98% or higher.

In order to provide some of you with the opportunity to increase your Positive Feedback Percentage, we are implementing a 60 day grace period for existing Education Specialists. On July 21st, we will re-instate the 98% Positive Feedback portion of the validation procedure and you may be suspended at that time if your Positive Feedback Percentage has gone below 98%. However, we do run the validation process every day, so you will be reinstated once you have reached the minimum criteria.

It really is a shame that these individuals who bring new sellers (and often buyers) to eBay are getting caught up in this. In an effort to "improve the buyer experience" there will likely be many less:

  • Powersellers
  • Education Specialists
  • Trading Assistants

Evidently improving the buyer experience may mean that the buyer goes somewhere else to buy.

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Waxing Nostalgic: The eBay Song

The eBay Song

With the next eBay boycott on the horizon, I dug this out to remember what eBay was like in the early days. Almost brings a tear to one's eye.

When is someone going to redo these lyrics to fit the new version of eBay?

The eBay Song Lyrics

A used ... pink bathrobe,
a rare ... mint snowglobe
A Smurf ... TV tray,
I bought on eBay

My house ... is filled with this crap
Shows up in bubble wrap Most every day
What I bought on eBay

Tell me why (I need another pet rock)
Tell me why (I got that Alf alarm clock)
Tell me why (I bid on Shatner's old toupee)
They had it on eBay

I'll buy ... your knick-knack
Just check ... my feedback
"A++!" they all say
They love me on eBay

Gonna buy (a slightly-damaged golf bag)
Gonna buy (some Beanie Babies, new with tag)
(From some guy) I've never met in Norway
Found him on eBay

I am the type who is liable to snipe you With two seconds left to go, whoa
Got Paypal or Visa,
what ever'll please
As long as I've got the dough

I'll buy ... your tchotchkes
Sell me ... your watch, please
I'll buy (I'll buy, I'll buy, I'll buy ...)
I'm highest bidder now

(Junk keeps arriving in the mail)
(From that worldwide garage sale)
(Dukes Of Hazzard ashtray)
(Hey! A Dukes Of Hazzard ashtray)
Oh yeah ... (I bought it on eBay)

Wanna buy (a PacMan Fever lunchbox)
Wanna buy (a case off vintage tube socks)
Wanna buy (a Kleenex used by Dr. Dre, Dr. Dre)
(Found it on eBay)

Wanna buy (that Farrah Fawcett poster)
(Pez dispensers and a toaster)
(Don't know why ... the kind of stuff you'd throw away)
(I'll buy on eBay)

What I bought on eBay-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y

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Video Demo - Moving eBay Listings with a Turbo Lister CSV File

eBay's free listing tool, Turbo Lister offers an import / export feature that sees little use by sellers. Granted, it can be frustrating to use at first. But there are occasions where it can be a lifesaver. No one wants to recreate every listing one by one. Here are a few situations I've found while scanning discussions on eBay:

  • You want to move your Turbo Lister program onto a laptop or new computer, along with all your current inventory
  • You'd like to sell identical listings, under a different eBay ID
  • Your eBay account has been suspended, and you're listings ended with no way to relist them once things are resolved
  • Your eBay account is suspended, and you want to sell under another ID (This is against the rules - but people are looking for the answer)

Well, you get the idea. Keeping your listings on Turbo Lister, and keeping them current, is a way to recover from all kinds of problems, large and small. So how is it done?

In this post I'm only going to show the procedure for exporting listings to a CSV (comma-separated value) file, then importing them back into a different eBay account. The process works the same for any of the scenarios listed above. There are many other ways to manipulate the file, once it's exported, but for this video demonstration we won't even open the file.

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Create Shipping Labels with PayPal for Non-eBay Packages

Last October I wrote a post describing how to create a pre-paid shipping label, through PayPal, for a non-eBay package. That post became one of my most popular and I wanted to expand a little on ways to use this powerful tool to expand your business. A few obvious benefits come to mind, such as avoiding the line at the Post Office, or having your mail carrier pick up your packages with pre-paid labels right at your home.

Print Labels for Amazon Orders with PayPal

When I started selling through Amazon, I missed the seamless integration between my eBay seller account and PayPal shipping labels. Really though, it's not that hard to work around. Amazon orders are required to have a packing slip inside, so I just print all of my packing slips out, and copy the addresses into PayPal's Ship Now page. I get the option to ship packages Media Mail rates, and I get a trackable, pre-paid label for my package. The payment for the label comes out of my PayPal account. Obviously, this will work with any package. So if you're selling on a site other than eBay, you can still use this feature from PayPal.

PayPal MultiOrder Shipping

When you want to create more than one label, PayPal's MultiOrder Shipping is a good tool. PayPal had some serious problems with the program last year, but I gave it another try and it works just great now for me. To find MultiOrder Shipping, login to your PayPal account. In the left column near the top under the heading "Tools" you'll find the link to MultiOrder Shipping. It will import your eBay listings, but can also be used to create your own labels one at a time. To do so click "File" > "Create New Orders" and fill out the info. You can create package presets so you don't have to enter the information for each package. This is especially helpful with Amazon orders, since most books ship via Media Mail and fall into the same price category. I created a preset called "Amazon Book" that covers most books I sell. I simply select the preset, and then type in the customer's name. Then I click "Create Another" and it's saved to the queue and I'm on to my next label. Once they are all created, I can print them all out at once.

Label Printers and Supplies

A common question is: "Do I need a special printer to print labels through PayPal?" The answer is no. Although you can print your labels on plain paper with your printer, you may want to get a label printer. I use one for the posters I sell on eBay. It prints a long narrow label that is just right for shipping tubes. There are a number of models available, each configured for different labels. See all PayPal compatible label printers on eBay right now.

System Requirements for Creating Labels with PayPal

You can find the system requirements for using PayPal to create your labels here.
The requirements for creating a single label as well as using PayPal MultiOrder Shipping are all listed.

Creative Commons License photo credit: SC Fiasco

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